Christopher Albert and Matthew Slaats bring you into the world of visual art and culture in New York's Hudson Valley and beyond. An intermittently produced podcast featuring interviews with artists and curators and featuring sound works.


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In case you needed to know what a Deer Pile looks like.

This episode is the next to last to be broadcast over the airwaves eminating from WVKR, Vassar College Radio in Poughkeepsie.  The podcast version of the show will continue, possibly in a modified format and in the frequency of releases.

Matthew has been busy participating in Simon Draper's (Simon appeared in Show #26) Habitat for artists which has been in DC part of Biodivercity, curated by Amy Lipton of EcoArtSpace as a part of the 5x5 project happening throughout Washington DC.


JD Dreyer of Phantom 8 Tattoo did not tattoo unicorns or butterflies on Chris's body....he did, however tattoo these things:


A scene from Gerhard Richter Painting. 

Gerhard Richter Painting is showing at Upstate Films in Rhinebeck, NY through April 19.

Season 6 of Art 21 has begun, viewable on PBS.

Chris mentions the recent 60 Minutes segment presented by that art curmudgeon, Morley Safer's, on the art market from Art Basel Miami Beach.  This recent report follows up  Safer's original 1993 indictment of the contemporary art world. There's a follow up video on the 60 Mins website depicting a tour of the Rubell Collection given to Safer by the Rubells themselves, trying to convince him of the merits of contemporary art

Chris contrasts the curmudgeonly with the considered.  He mentions - again -  Kirk Varnedoe's 6 part lecture series at the National Gallery from 2003 - which he has listened to, yet again. (Chris mentioned this lecture series originally in Show #36)

Thomas Kinkade died a couple of weeks ago - in almost diva Whitney-style.  It's a loss that wouldn't have registered as such for Chris, if his relatives didn't keep bringing it up.

Chris talks about his visit to the Clifford Still Museum in Denver, CO.  and mentions trying to come to terms with Still's paintings at the Met- the one of the few places to see a gathering of the artist's works.

Some of Still's early figures struck Chris as being torn from the scenes of Jim Henson's Dark Crystal movie - at least those elder lizard-thing characters.

Chris mentions the Georgia O'Keefe museum in contrast to the restrictive programming of the Still museum

The Still Museum sits in the morning shadow of the Daniel Liebeskind designed Hamilton Building expansion of the Denver Art Museum.  Chris has ranted about the new building's shortcomings on his personal blog in the past.  The building via google image search.

Chris has a conversation with Ken Hamel to get a taste of the the kind of art community that exists in Denver, CO.   Ken and Chris meet at The Deer Pile, an independently curated community event space.

Ken Hamel's website is a comprehensive listing of art events and exhibitions throughout Denver.  In the mid 80's Ken was a DJ on WVKR under the name of Kenny Lee.

The things Ken and Chris discuss include: 

The video of the Smith's song How Soon Is Now, edited at Vassar College.

Troma Films Toxic Avenger 2 & 3 and War filmed in Peekskill, NY.

MCA Denver (Museum of Contemporary Art), -  The Lab at Belmar...  The Lab, run by Adam Lerner was folded into the MCA Denver when Lerner was appointed director of MCA.  The NY Times recently featured a profile of Lerner.  

Denver's diminishing art writing sources: Michael Paglia at Westword   Leann Goebel's blog 

Mike and Doug Starn at RMCAD ...Big Bambu at the Met.  Chris photographed images of the Big Bambu project when it was being developed at the Starns' studio located in the former Tallix Art Foundry in Beacon, NY. 

Big Bambu in Beacon on Maykr.com

Denver's coop scene has characterized the art life in that city for Decades.  Back in 2006, Chris organized an exchange exhibit between artists in and around Beacon, NY with artist members of the Denver coop gallery EDGE.  

The Deer Pile, where Ken and Chris spoke was voted Best New Community Space by readers of the Denver weekly Westword.  

The Deer Pile will play host to's 5yr Anniversary fundraiser on May 15th.

Santa Fe Arts District




Eric Matalskie's 1st Monday Art Talks at Dazzle


An image of an early version of the "curbs" installed at DAM to prevent wall induced head injuries.

Exhibits at Denver Art Museum:

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A detail of the copious amounts of material hanging on the wall in Joel Schapira's studio.


The First segment of this week's show continues the last show's theme of taking a break from art.

First, Chris, along with artists Mark DeLura, Peter Acheson (who joined us on the road trip DHRH Episode #30), and Deirdre Swords pay a visit to the studio of Joel Schapira in Connecticut.

Joel tells us about his three month break from painting - which unexpectedly stretched out for two + years.

Below are images from our studio visit with Joel showing some of the works you hear us discuss in this segment.  The captions for the studio visit shots were written by Joel.

This first image is of a painting of a painting - in the same family as the one that finally brought Joel's painting hiatus to an end.

On the left, one of the Wolf Teeth Evermore Agains. it's 36" high x 19" wide. On the right, au la la. it's a housey construction on old pickets...about 5 feet tall.

Vessels by Diane Schapira. painting of vessels by joel schapira. inspired by Morandi.  Our kitchen.

This diptych is a painting and painting of a painting (from right to left). Each panel is 18"w x 24"h. The thing that happened is i discovered that i didn't have to do what i thought i did, so i could do what i wanted to do which was what i needed to do. What if Morandi was painting a self portrait of his bottles? What if i was doing that here?

The method of Joel's creating the pair of works recalls (in Chris' mind) Rauschenberg's exercise in the works Factum I & Factum II from 1957:

Robert Rauschenberg, Factum I, 1957 via:

Robert Rauschenberg, Factum II, 1957  via:

Our audio studio visit concludes with us looking at these two large, pre-hiatus paintings hanging in his living room.

Ah, this painting is Crow Comes. It commemorates  a visitation by crow for five years caw caw caw knock knock on the window just out of sight upper right.  Our living room. Totems to the right of the painting. clay sculptural figure is crow woman - storyteller. then also clay --- full moon house of forgiveness...both by Diane Schapira.

I used to make big paintings and a lot of them were word based. This one combines the message of an old computer screen that said: no new messages on server. ironic. with the no ball playing signs of my childhood in the Bronx. it's about 66" wide x 44' high. I think it's pretty good.

A few more images from our studio visit can be found here.

Mark Handforth's sculpture Wishbone sits in the mist outside of the Hessel Museum of Art.

Next, we hear from Tom Eccles, executive director of Bard College's Center for Curatorial Studies & Hessel Museum of Art, on what exhibits will be coming in this, the 20th Anniversary year of the Bard CCS program, starting with the Matters of Fact exhibit that opened this past weekend.

Finally, we revisit a moment from our interview with Duncan McKenzie of Bad at Sports from (DHRH Episode #1) which sets up an excerpt from Tyler Green's new Modern Art Notes Podcast.

Fred Sandback working on the installation of his work at Dia Beacon back in 2003.  via:

Tyler appeared in our show on Cy Twombly (DHRH Episode #17).   The excerpt we hear comes from the Dec 22, 2011 episode of the MANpodcast in which Tyler and the writer, Andrew Russeth, list their favorite art viewing spaces in America.  Number one on Andrew's list is the Fred Sandback galleries at Dia:Beacon.

Andrea Fraser's essay: Why Fred Sandback's Work Makes Me Cry.

MAN Podcast Links:

 In this segment, Chris mentions:

Bob Edwards' interview with Richard Serra in May 2011.

Kirk Varnedoe's 6 part Mellon Lecture:  Pictures of Nothing: Abstract Art Since Pollock at the National Gallery of Art from 2003.

The MAN Podcast episode featuring Richard Serra.

Thanks to Tyler for letting us use the snippet of the MAN Podcast.  Thanks to Tom Eccles for joining us and thanks to Joel Schapira for letting us all into his home for this episode.  Also, thanks to the Erthlyngz and Vybrainsee for the Dead Hare musical segments

PS, Peter Acheson and Deirdre Swords are teaming up to produce a new art blog:

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So how are we with our New Years resolutions? Still holding strong in March? Or is writing the check each month to pay for your membership as close as you get to the gym? We at the Dead Hare Radio Hour were curious what kind of rules artists where proposing for themselves with 2012.

One of the interesting results of snooping around the web was that we saw several artists considering the idea of taking a year away from art. What does that mean? Why would you do it? What rules do you follow? How does that effect the people we are? We have to thank Eve Mosher for placing these questions in your minds.

So we turned to Eve, Jason Eppink, and Deborah Fisher, all successful artists and creatives, to discuss what a year without art might look like.

Topics that came up in discussion

Art as a form of identity and the definitions we use to define us.



Mythologizing and Narrativizing our work.

Innovation and art’s role in culture shifts


High Waterline

Seeding the City

A Blade of Grass

Socrates Sculpture Park

Maurizio Cattelan

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A bird, man and that man's clarinet

This week's episode delves into a couple of events happening over the next weekend.  First, Chris checks in with Musician, Composer, Author, Philosopher, David Rothenberg to hear about the upcoming Survival of the Beautiful All Day Wonder Cabinet happening at the Cantor Film Center on Feb 25, 2012.

 In addition to David Rothenberg, the Wonder Cabinet participants are:

Jaron Lanier

Gail Patricelli

Richard Prum

Ofer Tchernichovski (Chris recorded a great conversation between David and Ofer who have collaborated together in exploring birdsong...all we can say is that you had to be there.  You REALLY HAD TO BE THERE to hear this great conversation since Chris inadvertently deleted the audio recorded of the conversation which was intended for an episode of. Dead Hare Radio)

Christine Roeske

Anna Lindemann

Philip Ball

Tyler Volk

Suzanne Anker

David Soldier

Vitaly Komar

David Dunn

David Abram

Scott Snibbe

Baba Brinkman

Laurie Anderson

Elisabeth Weiss

The song heard in this episode is Trio Menura from Rothenberg's CD Why Birds Sing.   (Bonus hint: The CD comes included with the book Why Birds Sing.

David mentions that his Wonder Cabinet is based on Lawrence Weschler's Wonder Cabinet events.

The books by Rothenberg mentioned in the conversation: 

Thousand Mile Song

Why Birds Sing

Survival of the Beautiful

Next, we have two conversations about the dance work of Yvonne Rainer.  We hear from Choreographer, dancer and writer Susan Osberg and Kelly Kivland, Curatorial Associate at the Dia Foundation.  These conversations relate to the upcoming performances of Rainer works being hosted at Dia:Beacon on Feb 25 & 26, 2012.

A bit of Yvonne Rainer memorabilia from the Oct 2011 performances at Dia:Beacon.

Susan Osberg

From Chris' conversation with Susan:

Judson Dance Theater

Martha Graham

Merce Cunningham

John Cage

Robert Ellis Dunn

Laban/Bartenieff Movement Analysis

Judson Dance founders mentioned by Susan:

David Gordon

Meredith Monk

Trisha Brown

Simone Forte

Steve Paxton

Lucinda Childs

along with Yvonne Rainer and others

(Dead Hare aside:  Billy Name, featured in Dead Hare Episode 8 did the lighting for the Judson performances.)

A handful of Yvonne Rainer's films, including Hand Movie (which gives Chris the creeps, for some reason),  along with audio and other documentations can be seen at        (

Rainer's No Manifesto (via wikipedia):

NO to spectacle.
No to virtuosity.
No to transformations and magic and make-believe.
No to the glamour and transcendency of the star image.
No to the heroic.
No to the anti-heroic.
No to trash imagery.
No to involvement of performer or spectator,
No to style.
No to camp.
No to seduction of spectator by the wiles of the performer.
No to eccentricity.
No to moving or being moved.

The Boris Groys talk, Everybody is an Artist, which Chris mentions was given at SVA  in 2010.  (See the video of Groys's talk on Vimeo)

Contact Improvisation

So You Think You Can Dance

White Oak Dance Project

Susan references the deaths of three leaders of the dance world; Merce Cunningham, Pina Bausch, Kazuo Ohno

Susan's dance company Workwith Dancers will be presenting a performance called TREE at Beacon Yoga in Beacon NY in late March, and early April.  

Here's the info, but there is more on Susan's website,(click the link above).

TREE is dance performance event by choreographer/dancer Susan Osberg. 

MARCH 23, 24,25 and MARCH 30, 31 and April 1st,

Friday, Saturday, Sunday NIGHTS at 7 pm.

At Beacon Yoga, 464 Maine Street in Beacon, NY 12508.

$15.00  general admission.

Limited seating, reservations for TREE -

Workwith Dancers Co. is a not-for-profit company and we gratefully accept your contributions if you wish to add a donation on to the ticket price.

At this point in the show, we take a little break......

And we're back:

Three Distributions, "People Plan" from Aspen 8, via

The 1974 WNYC Arts Forum interview of Yvonne Rainer by Annette Michelson can be heard on  (

Next, Chris speaks with Kelly Kivland, Curatorial Associate at Dia.

Joan Duddy & Dia's Salon Project (which Susan Osberg participated in in 1995)  Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any real documentation of the Salon Project online, save for a couple reviews of particular events.)

Joyce SoHo

Merce Cunningham Beacon Events

Trisha Brown Performance Series at Dia:Beacon

Joan Jonas at Dia:Beacon

Robert Whitman at Dia:Beacon, 2003 & 2011

Being Watched: Yvonne Rainer and the 1960s by Carrie Lambert-Beatty

Yvonne Rainer performances at Dia:Beacon are happening on Feb 25 & 26, 2012 at 12pm and 2pm both days.  The program for these events are:

Three Seascapes (1962)

Spiraling Down (2008)

Three Satie Spoons (1961)

The Sunday, May 13th performances are scheduled for 1pm and 3pm at Dia: Beacon.  The program for that event is:

We Shall Run (1963) (featuring dancers from Sarah Lawrence College)

Trio A (2008)

Chair Pillow (1969)
Assisted Living; Good Sports 2

The following day, May 14, at Dia:Chelsea, Babett Mangolte will be speaking on Yvonne Rainer, 

as part of the Artists on Artists lecture series.

Rainer program info and ticket information can be found at:

You can also call Dia:Beacon at 845 440 0100.

Thanks to David, Susan and Kelly for joining us this week. It's likely we'll have reports back from both the Wonder Cabinet and the Rainer performances in a future episode.

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This week we have a preview of 2012 from a sampling of Hudson Valley exhibition institutions.  In this episode we speak with:

Livia Straus, Director of the Hudson Valley Center for Contemporary Art in Peekskill, NY.

Mary-Kay Lombino, the Emily Hargroves Fisher '57 and Richard B Fisher Curator at the Frances Lehman Loeb Art Center at Vassar College in Poughkeepsie, NY.

Ariel Shanberg, director of the Woodstock Center for Photography in Woodstock, NY.

Carl Van Brunt, gallery director at the Woodstock Artists Association and Museum (WAAM) in Woodstock, NY.

Sara Pasti, the Neil C Trager director of the Samuel Dorsky Museum of Art at SUNY New Paltz in New Paltz, NY. 


Michael Asbill of the Kingston Museum of Contemporary Art in Kingston, NY.

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